Kiwis Living and Working in Australia

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By Baileybear

Big Cat

Me (right) petting a tiger at Dreamworld, Gold Coast.  I'm still drenched from a water-ride.
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Me (right) petting a tiger at Dreamworld, Gold Coast. I'm still drenched from a water-ride.

Defacto Aussies

Kiwis are allowed to live and work in Australia without becoming a permanent resident or Australian citizen (provided one supports themselves and doesn't have a criminal record).

We moved to Queensland, Australia over three years ago, seeking a different experience and better work opportunities.

We're treated like permanent residents for some things. We were able to get distance education fees waived on medical grounds when our son did distance ed for 6 months. We received the government stimulus package payments and get childcare rebates from Centrelink.

We are entitled to rebates on medical expenses including free eye tests and free doctors visits if we get services from someone that bulk-bills.

We are not entitled to receive a carer's allowance of $30-$50 per week since our son was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, because we are not citizens. We do not qualify to become citizens because we don't have a close relative (ie parent or sibling) that is a citizen.

If we were doing a job that is considered essential like a teacher or nurse and are under 45 years, then we could become permanent residents after a year and a citizen after 3 more years.

New Zealanders living Australia are entitled to receive a first-home buyers grant of around $7000. 


Colourful Friends

My son feeding the wild rainbow lorikeets (very cheeky birds) at Currumbin Wildlife Park.
My son feeding the wild rainbow lorikeets (very cheeky birds) at Currumbin Wildlife Park.

Reptile Pet

Dino, our pet blue-tongue lizard (blue-tongues are also common wildlife in Australia).  A permit is needed to purchase reptiles.
Dino, our pet blue-tongue lizard (blue-tongues are also common wildlife in Australia). A permit is needed to purchase reptiles.

Working in Queensland

My husband has a background in truck driving and warehousing, and found work fairly quickly. He did temping initially, and is currently driving around the Brisbane region.   Hubby's truck and trailer licence transferred over easily, but he had to do a forklift course because Queensland don't accept NZ forklift tickets.

My husband is earning approximately the same as he was in NZ, but has better conditions - no night shift, no weekends. Some people can earn $100-150k working in mines, but the work is hot, dirty and volatile, and usually rip-off accommodation is the killer. It didn't appeal to us as a family, but could be worth considering for single people or child-free couples.

I wanted part-time work to fit in with raising our young son. We noticed that jobs in general were better paid than in NZ, including retail. I started with a part-time position as a merchandiser and now work part-time for a publishing company as an assistant. I wouldn't have been considered for either role in NZ, and I've never seen these kinds of jobs available.

We think the pay is at least 25% higher than in NZ. Tax is not paid on the first $15,000. My husband still gets paid penal rates, which are a bit of a distant memory for NZ. Compulsory super is on top of our salaries, not subtracted out of it, which gives us a little extra too.

We've heard people say that Queensland is about 20 years behind NZ and other states of Australia in the way they do things - banking, workplace cultures, opening hours etc. It's probably true. But then, maybe it was a better lifestyle in NZ 20-30 years ago - back when retail people didn't have to work insane hours & actually got penal rates.


Riverfire Festival in Brisbane

View of the big wheel across river in brisbane.  We saw the F111s final 'dump & burn' followed by fireworks
View of the big wheel across river in brisbane. We saw the F111s final 'dump & burn' followed by fireworks

Outdoor Light Show

Amazing lightshow at Dreamworld.  As 'residents' of Qld, we could buy annual tickets on special for less than $100 each, and go to Dreamworld and WhiteWater World as many times as we liked in a year.
Amazing lightshow at Dreamworld. As 'residents' of Qld, we could buy annual tickets on special for less than $100 each, and go to Dreamworld and WhiteWater World as many times as we liked in a year.

Cost of Living

We live on the outskirts of Brissy, and find it much more affordable than when we lived in Auckland. It usually takes us less than half an hour to get to work. Other cities like Sydney and Melbourne may be more expensive to live in.

We've noticed the price of petrol steadily increasing, but it has a long way to go before it catches NZ's prices. Groceries are approximately the same. We are driving later model cars than we had in NZ - both cars are under 5 years old instead of a cars that are 10-20 years old.

Eye-glasses, furniture and appliances are cheaper and the latter two can be negotiated down, saving $100-$200 per item (someone from the UK told us it's actually expected).

Electricity has increased in cost since we've been here and we get stung for water rates if we use to much water (which fortunately, we don't). Our phone/internet isn't particularly cheap, but from memory, we get more for our money (broadband etc).

We thought the food in NZ tasted better when we first moved over - we think because of the drought. A lot of the meat is cyrovaced for longer shelf-life (which we dislike) and the beef was grain-fed in the drought. Our meat and other fresh produce taste a lot better since the drought ended.

Wild Dolphin

Hand-feeding a wild dolphin at Tin Can Bay, QLD
Hand-feeding a wild dolphin at Tin Can Bay, QLD

Steam-train

My trains-mad son enjoyed going for a ride on this old steam-train
My trains-mad son enjoyed going for a ride on this old steam-train

Everyday Living

The first house we lived in was a cockroach-infested oven. I'm not fond of creepy crawlies, and the cockroaches are BIG and can fly. Saw some massive spiders too, although we've only see a deadly redback a few times.

We're now in a better house that has decent air-conditioning and is shadier with fly-screens. Good for keeping creepy-crawlies out and keeping our cat in. We adopted a cat and a lizard. It is recommended that cats are raised as inside cats, because Australians tend to not be very cat-friendly and also because cats can be eaten by snakes etc. We needed to get a permit to keep up to two reptiles.

There is plenty to do in South-East Queensland - theme parks on the Gold Coast, art galleries, zoos, beaches, parks and concerts. There's been so many international concerts that my hubby would have loved to have gone to, but we're still trying to get on our feet after coming over with practically nothing.

Our dog has to be on a leash or use special dog parks, but that wasn't too big a deal with him getting older. We enjoy the nice weather for most of the year (summer can be a big uncomfortable for us, though). We enjoy the colourful birds and lizards. I've only seen one wild snake, which happened to be a dangerous red-bellied black snake, when going for a walk in a forest.

We still enjoy the novelty of having colourful birds visit our garden, hearing frogs trumpeting loudly after rain and having a green-tree frog or lizard take up residence in our letterbox.



Swimming without getting wet

Inside an exhibit at the Gallery of Modern Art, Southbank, Brisbane - now reopened after the floods
Inside an exhibit at the Gallery of Modern Art, Southbank, Brisbane - now reopened after the floods

Car Racing

The 'boys' went to the V8 racing
The 'boys' went to the V8 racing

Will we go back to NZ?

We were in flood affected regions of Queensland. We think the recent earthquakes in Christchurch, NZ were far more devastating and will be much more difficult to recover from.

We like the climate except in summer - when it's rather too uncomfortable for us kiwis from a cold climate. Each summer, we ask ourselves - why the heck do we live here? But then we love the warm autumn/winter/spring.

Will we ever move back to NZ? Possibly. I'm not keen while NZ is still very shaky with earthquakes - I think NZ is going to find it hard to recover from this recent tragedy. We have more work options here - we're not keen on going back to lower wages with the same cost of living.

We'd be disappointed if we had to go back to NZ without the chance to visit around Australia first. If something terrible were to happen to my husband, I might go back, especially as we aren't citizens.

We've close enough to visit every few years, and family have been over to visit too.

Kiwis moving to Aussie

Christchurch earthquake

Considering homeschooling my son with Asperger's


Comments

diogenese 15 months ago

You may find it hard to move back, on the old "can't put the cork back in the bottle," syndrome (or the tooth paste back in the tube. What i mean by this is that you moved from a tiny country - in relative terms - to one of the world's largest. I did the same when I left UK for Oz - then the US and Mexico - many years ago, and I have never been happy in small countries since. They feel so limiting after the huge skies and vast distances one can cover without having to go near an airport, the bane of modern man. Bob

Good and useful hub, by the way. I used to live in Brisy for a while...nice people and great prawns!!

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Baileybear Hub Author 15 months ago

diogenese - as you can see from the pics, there's been lots to do without going far. I don't see NZ's economy improving anytime soon, especially after the quake. Qld is broke, but at least the rest of Australia helps with disaster relief. Lots of Aussies are currently helping out after the quake, including 300 police, without minus their guns.

We're just frustrated we haven't been able to afford to go anywhere much yet. We did go to Sydney when I won a prize in an essay-writing competition.

diogenese 15 months ago

I lived for five years in Sydney in the 1960's. I bough a condiminium in Vaucluse (top area) for 14,800 dls Aust., and sold in 1969 for about $16,000 dls Oz. hahaha. they go for about 3/4 million today.

I love Sydney but it's for the rich these days, at least the harborside is. bob. I like Perth, too, and went back there for a year in 1988, but dear and not many jobs...then anyway...

diogenese 15 months ago

PS Oz wouldn't let us stay! So I went back to Mexico which is always welcoming

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graceomalley Level 4 Commenter 15 months ago

What are penal rates?

Many here in the US think of NZ as paradise. I have friends who wanted to emigrate there about 20 years ago after visiting on their honeymoon, but were turned down. They still talk about it wistfully...you know, what might have been.

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

Strangely enough I have only been to Queensland a couple of times. NSW is my home. I would, however, like to visit NZ though not Christchurch until things settle down.

Sydney nowadays is a rat race with wheels on. It is a place where people think they are going to make money and there is plenty of land speculation going on. I live out Wollongong way myself on the south coast.

Big, flying cockroaches? Sounds like what they call German cockroaches. I came across them in Parramatta back in the '80s when I was working for an American chemical company. Not good when they can fly.

I have a couple of blue-tongues under my unit. They are not pets. They just turned up one day and I keep my distance. They think I don't know they are around. I am not suggesting they are dangerous. We are the danger. I won't allow them to get to used to this human being harmless and friendly just in case they meet up with a human not so nice and friendly. They make a cute couple for lizards.

Cats can do a lot of ecological damage hence pet cats roaming free in the country are not looked upon in a friendly way. My NZ friend Lyn McConchie has a cat walk in her backyard which allows her cat a lot of freedom without endangering wildlife. She lives in Norsewood, New Zealand on a farm.

Yes, there's lots of colorful bird life in the land of Oz.

good hub.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

diogenese - it's crazy how expensive property has gotten in the last few decades. Even if you account for inflation & today's incomes, they're still 2-3x what would be considered 'affordable'. Hope to visit Perth one day.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

grace - penal rates - higher rates for overtime, weekends etc. What's the equivalent term you are familiar with?

NZ is quite a pretty country. Christchurch was one of the prettiest small cities in the world - now looking like a war-zone after the earthquake.

NZ is not as tough on immigrants as Australia is

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - Wollongong - I watched a documentary about a gruesome murder in the early 80s - think they said it was in Wollongong.

We had a blue-tongue visit our garden for a while. Our one, of course was obtained by a breeder and is tame. Apparently, if they bite, they can clamp on for half an hour. Fortunately, we haven't had that happen.

The only downside about keeping our cat indoors is the litter tray. If you have a strong enough stomach, I've written about it in my hub 'I could have sworn I flushed that'.

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crystolite 14 months ago

Good hub,keep it up

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

crystolite - thanks. I hope people find it useful.

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

There have been murders on the south coast. The most gruesome one I can recall happened near Sutherland. Anyway, around Wollongong you do have some nice beaches.

Oh, blue-tongues can bite alright but they're not poisonous. And they would only do so in self defense.

Don't really want to know about litter trays. Stomach not that strong.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - ha ha - the poo hub is not for the squeamish - snakes in the toilet & cats swallowed by pythons & some of my recollections from working at the sewage treatment plant.

I read about some early explorers that were near starving & they were glad to find a blue-tongue which they roasted on a fire and hungrily devoured. Ours is a big boy.

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

Well, the Aborigines ate blue-tongues and they did roast them over fires the way they did snakes. Probably the Aborigines put them onto this. Me? I am not that hungry - yet.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - have you tried kangaroo? I saw an article about Australia being a big exporter of horse to Asia & Europe - wild brumby meat. Apparently, it's sweeter and leaner than beef and the Italians and others love it

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

I have tried kangaroo but prefer rabbit when it is available. They are both lean meat. I can't imagine being into eating horse but someday I might surprise myself. I have tried eel and found it to be too oily. I have yet to try snake.

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Lissie Level 1 Commenter 14 months ago

Enjoyed this hub - we lived in Perth for 2 years before returning "home" to Wgtn just over a year ago - and frankly I am pretty much missing Perth - neither is ideal - what I really want is a city with Perth's weather and Wellington's cafes and restaurants (and their prices!).

My feeling is that if you are in trades or semi-skilled jobs that Australia pays well particulary after tax and allowances. However my partner is making more money in Wgtn in IT than he was in Perth - not much more, but more. I am self-employed and its much easier to run a business in NZ compared to Australia - their tax system is a bit of a nightmare - simple questions about GST on overseas payments -which I could find the answer on the IRD website - took hours and many layers of helpful people in the ATO to come up with the "not sure" answer! After that I hired an accountant!

The wind is so strong here I mistook an earthquake for a wind gust - and its 33C in Perth today - yup definitely miss it. BTW Queensland isn't backwards anymore - if you want backwards go to Perth - no Sunday shopping - yup every mall closed - so people can go to Church or something LOL!

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Lissie

that's interesting about Perth being backwards. We get a tax accountant to do our tax - and claim that back the following year. Agree it's more complicated, as when I was merchandising, I could claim my car costs, and hubby can claim sunglasses & workboots. Plus there's rebates for school etc.

I'd like to have NZ summers, QLD winters, better pay (which is Oz generally) & allow cat to go outside. So I'd like a combination too.

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Lissie Level 1 Commenter 14 months ago

Yeah we really thought Queensland was backwards (it was when I lived in NSW in the 80's) - but its moved on hugely since the got rid of Joh! We enjoyed traveling thru it on that trip - but I couldn't live with the humidity in the summer and the inability to swim in most of the state! Oddly the jellyfish don't close the beaches in WA - I suspect that something to do with the ability to sue anyone who lets you do anything in Qlds which you subsequently hurt yourself doing!

Yeah the Sunday trading was pretty incredible - as was the attitude to gays - though oddly as a woman it was OK. I suspect being not white wouldn't be good either in Perth - but I can't tell because everyone I met there was - which I find odd in itself!

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Lissie - is the suing thing only in Qld? We thought it was an Australian thing. Funny how some things apply to just the state, & others to whole country. Major work being done on motorway upgrades & new roads - came in handy just after the floods, as we had a way to get to the airport for our visit to NZ

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

There's a report in a freebie railway magazine about a New Zealander auctioning off the great rock that bounced down a hill and demolished his home during the earthquake. The largest bid so far for the great rock is $750. The money collected will apparently go toward the victims of the quake.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - wonder how they're planning to move it? Brisbane radio station is organising rugby game with 'retired' wallabies and allblacks - sponsers were paying $12-25k to have name on one sleeve of jersey; tickets $20 for next Thursday. Proceeds to earthquake

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

The rugby match sounds like a good idea.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - sounds like it will earn a lot of money. The players might not be very fit, but they are willing to play. A few of them were in christchurch when the earthquake happened. One was on top of the hills, and afterwards, looked down on the city and could only see a big cloud of dust - they knew it was bad news.

We've just noticed our next door neighbour has a feijoa tree with ripe fruit - I didn't think we had feijoas here - will have to ask if we can eat them, as going to waste

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

I have never heard of a feijoa tree.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - I didn't think they had feijoas here, and paid an outrageous price to buy a few once at the supermarket. Was hoping to have a few when popped back to NZ, but my parents no longer have a feijoa tree since moving house & didn't see a single feijoa anywhere.

Noticed some on the driveway of the neighbour when walking the dog. Tree looked like a feijoa tree. Crushed a fruit under my shoe - pulp looked and smelt like feijoa. Looked up on net - apparently feijoa trees are popular in QLD with kiwis that moved here

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

Are they sweet like kiwi fruit or passion fruit?

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - yes, they're sweet more like kiwifruit, not passionfruit. Like a cross between pears and grapes. Maybe I'll write a hub on feijoas sometime?

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

Might be a good idea. Better yet, you could make it on all fruit and veggies that originate in NZ.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - as far as I know, there were no native fruits & veges originating in NZ - all are imports

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

I thought kiwifruit would be original.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod, no, only renaming the Chinese Gooseberry 'Kiwifruit'

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 14 months ago

from goose to kiwi, interesting.

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Baileybear Hub Author 14 months ago

Rod - ha, I never noticed that before

churrbro 9 months ago

Thanks for the great hub, its definately got me thinking. A few years back..well 2 years actually, i had the idea of packing my family up and moving to australia. Now, still living in NZ, i just want it to happen. we have three children. our oldest in her last year of primary, our second will be starting primary next year and a 7 month old. Me being an at home mum, income is pretty tight with just my partner working as a builder. would love to start a new life and hoping australia will help us begin. though we've heard so many success stories, the thought of packing and selling our things is already mentally draining..but i know that if this is something that i really want to do, then its all worth it right?my partner however doesnt seem to share the same enthusiasm as me and is torn between leaving his immediate family and moving away. He envisions the whole moving process and finalising the debts we currently have just too much to handle too soon. ( march next year)

i love the idea of "dont think too hard about it, just do it" and i would if there were no children to consider oh and bills to pay off and i had savings (which is non existant)...advice would be much appreciated.

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Baileybear Hub Author 9 months ago

my hubby was reluctant to move until we came over for a holiday. Then he decided, let's do it. We're not very close to our families, so that part wasn't hard.

Yes, it can be stressful, especially if you don't have much money like us. It would be scary to move back to NZ - less money and same or higher living expenses.

Plus, we've heard you've had a mega cold winter.

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 9 months ago

This winter in the land of Oz has been cold enough, Baileybear! AND they put up the cost of electricity in the middle of winter! Some people have no heart. No heart at all.

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Baileybear Hub Author 9 months ago

Rod - I'm in Qld, where we have nice, warm winters

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Rod Marsden Level 4 Commenter 9 months ago

I am in NSW where we are used to warmer winters than we got this year.

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