Psychotherapy, Psychiatry: Not to be Trusted

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By Baileybear

Overpaid Con-artists and Drug-pushers

This has been my experience with psychotherapists including psychiatrists. I don't trust psychotherapists and I'll tell you why. This includes general practitioners who dabble in psychiatry.

People with introverted temperaments are diagnosed with Avoidant Personality Disorder. Those with anger management problems are diagnosed Intermittant Explosive Disorder. Anyone with an uncommon personality trait is diagnosed with a disorder.

Normal, active children are being diagnosed with ADHD and prescribed potent mind-altering drugs with dangerous risks, including heart failure and suicide. Drugs are offered without trying less evasive strategies such as removing food additives from diet (many have been proven to cause hyperactivity in children). Scary? This really happens?

It's happened to me and it's happened to many other unsuspecting individuals.

Pharmaceutical companies are unethical - they are driven to make big money and offer big incentives to those who sell their drugs. Why else do parents with young children get sold a lie that their children need drugs?

Many in the pharmaceutical industry are legal drug-pushers. They con uninformed people that they are sick or disordered and need drugs.

First, some definitions of what some "psychos" are:

Pysch- Definitions

TERM
DEFINITION 
Psychiatry 
Medical speciality studying and treating mental disorders
Psychology 
Scientific study of mental functions in behaviour
Psychotherapy 
Treating psychological (mental) disorders - behavorial, mood, anxiety, personality disorders etc 
Psychiatrist
Medical doctor practising psychiatry. Practises psychiatry. Prescribes medication.
Psychologist
Not medical doctor, but may hold a doctoral degree. Uses counselling and psychotherapy.
Psychotherapist
Include psychiatrists, psychologists, counsellors, therapists who practise psychotherapy

Drug-pushers

Potent prescription drugs prescribed by psychotherapists in haste
Potent prescription drugs prescribed by psychotherapists in haste

Latest Experience

We were required to see a psychiatrist to have our son assessed for Asperger's Syndrome (AS). I was mis-trusting of psychiatrists because of prior experience. We also saw a psychologist that worked closely with the psychiatrist. We went private, as waiting on the public system meant a wait of over a year.

I had suspected my son had AS and had read extensively about it. My husband was hesitant for him to receive a label, but he was having major issues at school, so we decided to go ahead.

I was apprehensive about seeing a psychiatrist because of previous experience.

Without much history and before meeting my son, the psychiatrist immediately locked into a diagnosis of ADHD. I told her that while he had some characteristics of ADHD, he was able to focus and achieve at school, and we had found certain foods made him behave worse.

She recommended ADHD medication, which I refused, as I was not convinced of her diagnosis, and was concerned about a young child ingesting potent medication that was most likely inappropriate and potentially dangerous. She also recommended a psychoactive medication for his tic disorder. Again, we declined, as we didn't think his tics were causing him severe enough difficulty to warrant powerful, mind-altering drugs.

I'd had enough bad medication experiences as an adult - I didn't want the same dangerous game of Russian Roulette for my son.

We eventually ended up with a diagnoses of Asperger's Syndrome, and the psychologist consultations were recommended to teach him social skills.

Child Abuse and Neglect??!!

He also had an IQ assessment by a guidance officer at school. When her report arrived, it combined her findings, what I had told her, what the school said, and information from the psychologist and psychiatrist. There was an odd statement in the report: "...in addition to his diagnosis of Asperger's Autism and Tic Disorder...as well as a differential diagnosis of Reactive Attachment Disorder."

What? I jumped onto Google and looked it up. It described a child that had been abused and/or neglected that raged against their mother and attached better to strangers than their caregiver(s). A child that was an expert manipulator, trying to harm their caregiver. Certainly not my child.

I contacted the guidance officer - had she mixed us up with another child? Copied and pasted onto another report? She insisted it was clearly in the psychiatrist report and said she could send me copies.

I read more about Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) and talked to other parents in forums. One forum was started by a mother whose child had been misdiagnosed with RAD, eventually followed with a correct diagnosis of AS (a neurological developmental condition). She started a forum, because she was upset at the number of children that were getting misdiagnosed with RAD.

RAD is blaming the parents for abuse and neglect. Apparently it can occur rarely, most often with children that are adopted from harsh circumstances.

I felt insulted that the psychiatrist had written such a thing. How did she come to that conclusion? My son has never been abused or neglected.

Attachment theory has its roots in the idea that some mothers are "refrigerators", and to blame for their children's behaviour - as if mothers need displaced guilt heaped upon them.

Also, diagnostic criteria for RAD state:

  • the criteria for a pervasive developmental disorder (like Asperger's autism) isn't met;
  • there is a history of significant neglect;
  • lack of identifiable, preferred attachment figure (prefers strangers over parents)

So the psychiatrist was wrong to "diagnose" him with both AS and RAD, and I am baffled at how she even considered he might have RAD, let alone state it in a report.

I don't want to see her again, nor will I recommend her. I am not sure yet whether I will write her a letter about her ridiculous assertion.

This experience was in Australia.

Previous Experience

My previous experiences with psychiatrists were in New Zealand. The first psychiatrist I saw for "treatment resistant depression" decided within 5 minutes that I had Bipolar and insisting on prescribing me medication. She kept asking about "highs", but I didn't have "highs". But she had the idea in her head and I was trialled on lithium, suffering poisoning effects.

The second time my GP made me go back to her, I told her that I wasn't happy with how I was treated and she was wrong. She apologised. However, she was unable to help me and my condition baffled many doctors, including general practitioners who doled out psychoactive medications, all of which had unpleasant side-effects, and some that made me sicker.

Turned out my depression was a symptom of many years of undiagnosed autoimmune disease and AS.

Don't Trust Doctors

I have read many accounts of people treated disrespectfully by arrogant health "professionals" They seek to pathologize neurological conditions, keeping themselves in work. I have read about many children dying from potent drugs like ADHD medications.

When one's mental health is in a vulnerable state, they can be taken advantage of. I was prescribed potent drugs by many physicians who used me as a guinea pig.

One doctor even told me to close the door and tried to hug me - he freaked me out and I escaped and never returned. The drugs he prescribed me could have killed me (they caused negative changes in my mental state, personality and lowered my blood pressure dangerously). I could have been a statistic - death by prescription drugs - taken as the doctor ordered.

Other doctors told me I was a hypochondriac. The very real pain disorder I had was "in my head".

So I don't trust doctors. Thanks to Google, I do my own research and see if their diagnosis matches up. Doctors hate patients self-diagnosing - it's part of their arrogance. Not many of them do thorough investigative work - they just dole a pill out for symptoms, and never uncover the root cause.

I know someone that endured rage episodes for a year, because a psychiatrist prescribed inappropriate drugs. The family noticed that the rage episodes started with an increase in dose of a psychoactive drug. They questioned the psychiatrist and were told the drugs had nothing to do with it. They reduced the dose, and the rage stopped. Turned out the patient had other underlying medical problems.

I figured out I had celiac disease. I have a doctor now that isn't arrogant and he was willing to listen to my findings and confirm that I was correct. I had already been misdiagnosed for nearly 20 years. Once the inflammation went away, so did the pain disorder I suffered for years.

I figured out my son and I have Asperger's. I'd already been given a misdiagnosis of Avoidant Personality Disorder (a personality disorder that made me feel even more defective) and my son would have been misdiagnosed with ADHD if I had just accepted what the psychiatrist said initially. After several sessions (at great expense) we were officially diagnosed. There is no medication for AS. Interesting that the psychotherapists took time to diagnose AS, but were hasty "diagnosing" ADHD and recommending drugs.

I could have had unnecessary surgeries recommended by doctors - turns out my symptoms were from my food sensitivities.

I wonder how many people have had similar experiences. Too many people trust their doctors too much without questioning. I am no longer one of them.


More on Why I don't Trust Doctors

What also irks me is the amount I've spent on doctors, specialists and medications. Many doctors run behind schedule badly, and don't care about the poor souls that earn much less money than them.

Because my health was poorly managed, and I was chronically ill, I was unable to work at times, or below capacity. My income was significantly reduced over the years. Some doctors told me that my husband needed to work less (he works long hours trying to hold our family together).

Some have simply no concept that our real incomes don't come anywhere near theirs and an idealistic "life-balance" is not realistic.

Many had over-inflated egos - very arrogant and dismissive. Many so busy giving "advice" that they failed to look and listen.

Comments

Lecie 22 months ago

i too don't trust psychiatrists. where i was going for treatment funding was low and i got passed around from one psychiatrist to another. each one had a different diagnosis and treatment for me. i was even more troubled when i left then when i went in. so i stopped seeing them and have made a lot more progress on my own than i ever would have with a psychiatrist.

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justom Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

Great hub, I've never believed in psycho-babble and now that they've turned into drug pushers worse than the ones on the street, I think even less of them. I'm amazed at the folks who choose to be sheep and over medicate their children because they are just being children. I'd hate to think what my life would have been like if they'd have been passing out drugs when I was a kid because I was always wound up and wanted to find out everything that was going on. Peace!! Tom

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lorlie6 Level 3 Commenter 22 months ago

I've had some crazy experiences with psychiatrists-haha-but I do actually have bipolar disorder. I know this because of years and years of bizarre behavior that was getting me into awful trouble. I finally did find a human psychiatrist who has me on a minimal dose of a med that works.

I have had incredibly bad experiences, though, with my son as he was growing up. Of course, he was active-which means MEDICATE-and I put him on Ritalin. Worst mistake of my life-of HIS life, really. Poor thing couldn't stop weeping. I took him off of it and realized doctors and teachers want sedated students/patients. F*** that.

Great hub.

Thanks.

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Baileybear Hub Author 22 months ago

Lecie - I was misdiagnosed many times and treated badly. I was wary having to go to one for my son's diagnosis (needed to receive understanding at school), and for good reason - sure enough, she was hasty with a FAD diagnosis and offered drugs.

Justom - Yes, they are legal drug-pushers and children of uninformed parents and vulnerable individuals in fragile mental states are the victims.

Lorlie -I still need to take medication for my depressive disorder (probably wouldn't have to if the celiac had been diagnosed 20 years ago). I just deal with a GP that treats me with respect rather than being arrogant and dismissing my opinions about my own health.

A neighhour tried Ritilin on her troubled son and he went crazy, punching holes in walls etc. Another mother said meds did help her child, but she tried other avenues like diet first.

Yes, schools just want compliant sedated kids - all clones - no individuals. Schools need to update their institutional approaches to accommodate kids that need to move around more (bored being forced to sit and be quiet for hours).

My husband reakons he could have been diagnosed ADHD at school - but he was a normal active boy that was bored silly - yes, he is a bit impulsive and easily bored, but we think that's more his temperament than a disorder.

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samiaali Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

This is very interesting and also very scary. I had a similar situation with one of my sons many years ago when he was very young. I agree that drugs are often suggested when they should not. Thank you for this information.

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Baileybear Hub Author 22 months ago

Thanks samiaali. Some children may require medication, but the majority wouldn't - it certainly is scary how easily potent drugs are handed out, with no proper assessments, trying less invasive methods, cautions of side-effects, addictions, risks. Some of the links I added go to some scary websites about child deaths from prescription drugs

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Kaie Arwen Level 3 Commenter 21 months ago

Labels and drugs are running rampant, but I am as surprised at the parents who allow and ask for these labels as I am the people who write the scripts. Because I work with these children in the educational setting I see the adverse effects in the children who DON'T need drugs, and the positive effects for the children who do.

What alarms me is that adults don't want children to be children anymore. Television and video games have become babysitters, and when the kids are full of energy after dinner, or unable and unready to go to sleep at night because they've done nothing but sit all day long............ people deem it a problem and want to "fix" it with medication rather than avoid it with healthy exercise and activity.

Every aspect of a child's life needs to be taken into consideration before giving them drugs........... and every practitioner allowed to write a script needs to be held accountable for the reasons they're written. Thanks for this........... it is an important topic! Kaie

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

Kate - People see pills as the easy option. My son has behavioural problems with certain food chemicals - identifying them and avoiding them takes effort. There are too many children that shouldn't be medicated which make people dismissive of conditions like ADHD and Asperger's (saying they are fads)

hubpageswriter 21 months ago

This is a good hub. One should be wary for sure, because there might be this possibility in which you've mentioned. Hub up.

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

Thanks hubpageswriter - it pays to be well-informed

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Wayne Brown Level 8 Commenter 21 months ago

Your concerns are well-founded. In the last three years of my dad's life he was prescribed drugs for a heart condition that caused such behavioral issues that we begged to doctors to drop the medication. They simply ignored our concerns and tried to cross-treat the behavior with other drugs that caused further side-effects all of which were destroying what little quality of life my dad had left. Medications are the easy way out and people jump on them too quickly for comfort. My mother almost died because a GP could not diagnose Pernicious Anemia...a frequent development in the elderly. After research, I found that 1 in 3 elderly patients die with a diagnosis of dementia. They are basis assessed as "giving up on life" due to their age and mental state while in essence their body is devoid of B-12 and their blood systems is slowly losing all the nourishment it provides to the vital structure of the body...this should be basic medical school stuff. Thanks for a very good article. WB

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

Yes, Wayne, the elderly are another group apart from children that are overmedicated inappropriately. Doctors these days use a 'tick the box' approach and don't properly investigate. Many biochemical disorders result in impairment of brain function, but it is dismissed as mental illness

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Healing Touch Level 1 Commenter 21 months ago

Bailey Bear,

I think this hub lets all of us realize that we Cannot give soooo much power to doctors, therapists, and the like. We do have to do everything before we look at meds for us and our kids. I am so sorry you have had such bad professionals, as it makes us all look bad. I am a psychotherpist by trade and it makes my stomach turn when I hear stories like this. I applaud you for being the great parent you are and telling the "so called professionals what is really going on.

Healing touch

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

Healing Touch, I've added some links to my hubs about years of misdiagnosed depression and celiac - more bad experiences with the medical profession. Unfortunately, there are not many fantastic professionals out there - many do more harm than good. Patients have blindly trusted medical profession for too long

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embee77 Level 2 Commenter 21 months ago

Wow - You have had a long string of unprofessional and completely unethical treatment. How can doctors help patients when they don't listen to them? The risks of taking the wrong medication are terrifying. My recent experience has been to vote with my feet: I keep changing doctors until I find one who I can communicate with. I, too, look up things on my own and I expect to have a say in whatever treatments my doctors suggest. We have to be our own advocates. I'm currently off stimulants for ADD because they made me neurotic. It was a nightmare but I was able to find another doc who helped me. Everyone is different, and doctors need to realize that. Thank you for your warnings, and I am so sorry you had to go through what you did.

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

Yes embee, I totally agree with voting with my feet - I don't put up with disrespectful arrogant doctors anymore, and I don't blindly trust anything they say. I am still undecided as to whether I write a letter to this psychiatrist or not.

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days leaper Level 1 Commenter 21 months ago

I see much truth in what you are saying about 'pill pushing quacks' as I call them. As a kidney patient, I have much experience of 'doctors'. Clearly a bunch obsessed with their own power! Less interested about actually doing what is best for the patient. Hmm, but you've said all this above.

I was concerned about the abuse as their are many types of it, physical, mental/emotional besides sexual, there are often more adults around a child than the parents, teachers, relatives, family friends etc. And it is 'always' some-one least expected -when it does occur.

Usually children use 'behaviour' that is disruptive due to being angry at some-one, say if the child doesn't want to go on holiday to a usual relative s/he doesn't feel safe. If the child disrupts the class the teacher may simply be picking him/her out unfairly. Encourage your child to describe fully the events of the day in a safe, quiet environment that is strictly free from background noise. Do this daily, eventually the child will learn trust -unless you criticise him/her alot!, or interfere too much with things s/he feels s/he can handle- and don't stop the routine just because you've found something because it may be just the tip of the iceburg! The time required should become less, you should learn when the child has 'vented out' and ask if there is more?

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

Days leaper - sometimes I've observed doctors treating nurses as inferior, although once there was a nurse that accused me of sticking objects in my baby's ears when he had a burst ear drum!

rolfen 21 months ago

If you don't trust doctors then why do you go to them?

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

I still go to doctors, but vote with my feet with the useless ones. Good doctors do exist, and I think it is important for people not to blindly accept everything they are told - going by experience with my chronic health issues over the years.

jan 21 months ago

I am so glad to find this post. It's early in the morning and I'm still angry about the last psychiatrist who told me to go "somewhere else" after I challenged her diagnosis. Two doctors said I had bipolar. I was on terrible meds for two years. Then I am assigned to new psych at same clinic. She insisted I stay on the meds but never told me she didn't think I had bipolar until I stopped the meds myself because of side effects. Then she tells me I have borderline. I checked it out. I have none of the symptoms other than I have some "mom" issues. Who doesn't? I can't help think that the borderline diagnosis came about because I wanted a partnership in my care. Polite but strong women are borderline? Every psych I've seen over the past few years has given me a different diagnosis and then becomes upset when I ask how she arrived at that diagnosis. My local drugstore is amused when I constantly return meds I no longer "need." The guessing would be funny too if it didn't cost so much in time and money and if the medication wasn't so damaging on one's health.

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Baileybear Hub Author 21 months ago

thanks for posting, Jan. Psychiatrists keep coming up with more "diseases" and slapping them around haphazardly. As patients, we have a right to challenge a diagnosis. I had the bipolar and borderline tossed my way too (and a whole lot of other names including avoidant personality disorder plus powerful drugs with terrible and dangerous side-effects). I accept my diagnosis of depression (which was because of years of untreated celiac disease) and Asperger's Syndrome (which would probably never have been picked up, if it wasn't for my son who has more obvious AS traits). The psychiatrist offered two potent drugs for him (we had to go to her to get a formal diagnosis to get help from school). A neurologist said he doesn't need drugs, just appropriate support.

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lcg4jc 18 months ago

Baileybear thank you for writing this hub it is very informative and you have shared your personal experiences to explain why the skepticism and unbelief on the psychiatric and psychological field. I too have had times that doctors wanted to diagnose meds for my boys for ADD and ADHD and both times I said no. I refused to have them labled and I chose to look into behavioral modification techniques and home schooling. I was very blessed to have gone that route, both my sons have graduated and have their degrees. I am so happy I followed my heart and did not let "the professionals" tell me what to do with my sons.

Also, good for you for sticking up to the doctors that wanted to pill push junk on your boy. Good for being a mother who cares enough to not accept what a so called professional states about your child.

Good for you for stepping up to the plate on behalf of your son.

If you don't then who will? You are a good mother.

Many many many blessings to you and your family.

Keep up the good work mom your son will benefit from your care.

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Baileybear Hub Author 18 months ago

thanks lcg - I have just written a letter to the psychiatrist to have the RAD thing taken off (or rather a letter explaining that's not his diagnosis). I always weigh up for myself whether something makes sense. The Asperger label is helping him get the services he needs (we went to a psychiatrist to get it fast-tracked). I think psychiatry etc are pseudo-science and open to the bias of the practitioner

Calli 14 months ago

I took my 7 year old to see a child psychiatrist. She spoke to us for 5 min (i'm not kidding). She wrote a report behind my back to my daughters school and said that I found the whole situation of my child having ADHD to be funny. The school was amazed and showed me the report that the psychiatrist was not supposed to send the school. This psychiatrist had never spoken to us before. She knew nothing about us but decided that in 5 min she knew it all. She could read our minds and she was going to play God. I was furious. I reported her to the hospital paediatrician who couldn't believe that she had sent the school that letter. My diagnosis of that woman (in 5 min)is that she must have had a very unhappy childhood and couldn't stand to see anyone happy. She thinks she is God and she can read minds or whatever. then she spreads gossip behind peoples backs. She needs to be banned from talking to anyone and shouldn't be around children.

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Baileybear Hub Author 13 months ago

Calli - yes, this one took about 5 minutes to decide my son had ADHD so she could give him drugs and charge us a fortune. Fortunately, I knew my son and I'd already read up on it and knew he didn't have ADHD (but can seem like it in some ways because of his Asperger's). So annoying when they don't bother investigating properly.

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JenPsych 13 months ago

I agree with the gist of this hub - very upsetting. However, I do wish to stress that competent, effective therapists do exist. Also, in the U.S., the title "psychologist" is protected in which a person MUST achieve a doctoral degree in psychology to be legally and ethically called one. Further, New Mexico and Louisiana (with other states considering it) have legislation that allows non-medically trained psychologists to be able to prescribe medicine. More reason to be informed about credentials before investing trust in a "specialist".

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Baileybear Hub Author 13 months ago

JenPsych - yes, competent therapists do exist, and people need to seek those ones out, and not put up with substandard treatment.

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wingedcentaur Level 5 Commenter 12 months ago

It sounds like the psychiatry profession, as a whole,still practices a bit of "alchemy," if I may put it that way.

I think the problem is that there is no "owners manual" for the human psyche, handed down from "Heaven," which "shows" precisely what a healthy, perfectly functioning psychological and emotional state looks like, with instructions and requisite "tools" to "fix" you.

The human psyche is, of course, not like a television or computer in that way. There is a wonerful three-hour documentary I would recommend to you if you haven't seen it. You can watch this documentary in its entirety, for free, on your computer, on YouTube if you like.

Th film is a BBC documentary produced by Adam Curtis, called "The Trap." The Trap explains how the cultural history of the world was informed by the post-World War Two initiation of The Cold War between the United States and the Soviet Union. Its quite fascinating and goes a long way, I think, in explaining the world we live in today.

However, the specific part of the film that is relevant for this hub is part two, I think, The Trap: The Lonely Robot. This part talks a little bit about the history of psychiatry. Basically, psychiatry became what it is in response to a crisis the profession faced in the 1960s, I believe.

Psychiatry was coming under increasing skepticism. There was a man who tried an experiment. He arranged for himself and a handful of others, all with absolutely no history of mental illness whatsoever (this part is very important), to check themselves into psychiatric hospitals. They were to act as they always did, perfectly ordinary with the one exception that they were to say a certain word at regular intervals.

Now, all of these participants were diagnosed with one psychosis or another. When they revealed themselves and tried to explain that they were normal and only putting on a test, their claims were dismissed as denial. Well, they found that the only way they could get out was to agree that they were sick and pretend to be getting better. They finally got out and the truth was confirmed.

Another hospital issued a challenge to this man, the researcher, to send them some fake patients -- this institution would not be deceived, by golly! The researcher agreed.

Later the hospital triumphantly announced that they had detected and turned away hundreds of fake patients. The thing is, the researcher said that he hadn't sent anybody.

Psychiatry was on its knees at this point, against the ropes; but they decided that they just couldn't give up. At this point they precisely tried to build that "owner's manual" of the human psyche. They utilized computerization and a number system to categorize various specific disorders. They said "X (number) is what depression looks like," Y (number) is what compulsion looks like," and so on. Then they put together an imaginary toolbox full of imaginary tools to restore a patient back to a state of mental health according to the imaginary "owner's manual." When I say imaginary toolbox with imaginary tools, I'm talking about all the drugs the pharmaceutical industry started pumping out in the 1960s.

And so on and so forth. Anther excellent essay, Baileybear!

See you around.

schizoaffective 5 months ago

Go to a orthomolecular practice.

Unfortunately I cant, since it is not permitted in my country. The only way to do it is to find out for myself.

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gsidley 3 months ago

Having only recently become active in the hub community (despite being enrolled for a couple of years) I've only just accessed your very interesting hub.

I agree totally with your views. The basis of the problem, I think, is the attempt by doctors and drug companies to medicalise mental health problems i.e.to try and treat mental health problems as if they were analogous to well established illnesses like diabetes. To attempt to do so is unhelpful, stigmatising and often toxic (in every sense of the word).

Great hub - I will look out for any further hubs you compile on mental health issues.

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